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Re: New constitution - Derek Howie - 04-07-2015
Quote:There seems to be some misunderstanding about how the SGM will operate. The final outcome will be to vote on whether a new Constitution for Chess Scotland should be accepted. During the pre-amble to that vote, each Section will be briefly discussed and any proposed changes voted on. Such proposed change(s) to a Section need to be formally proposed and seconded, as required under the current Constitution. Any proposed amendments should be sent in writing (email) to both Andy Howie AND Jim Webster by 9 pm on Monday 6th July so they can made available to the membership. If an amendment is carried then that becomes part of the new Constitution that will be voted on at the end of the meeting.
How can those unable to attend the SGM vote for or against the constitution when they don't know what the final version is going to be?
Surely any amendments should be voted on and there should be a separate meeting after everyone has the chance to review a finalised version?
Re: New constitution - Matthew Turner - 04-07-2015
Page 14. Any plans to help young players achieve title norms?
Re: New constitution - Douglas Bryson - 04-07-2015
WBuchanan Wrote:When the SCO code is added as you describe for grading purposes, does that mean the same thing as having a ‘SCO’ registration with FIDE?
Cheers
Walter
Yes. You get a SCO code with FIDE because the CS grader or a FIDE arbiter supervising an event located in Scotland has added your name to the FIDE database to generate a FIDE ID code. In a handful of cases there are inter-country transfers by which players with an existing FIDE ID switch from another country to SCO - but the vast bulk of registrations are for newly listed players.
There are no implications for the eligibility section. The Operating Procedure will almost certainly indicate that it's either bloodline or residency as in 16.1.1 and 16.1.2 which will make someone fulfil the qualifying criteria to be SCO registered.
WBuchanan Wrote:It’s not just the ‘Summary of Changes’, but the Constitution text also says that the SCO code is enough for eligibility for championship purposes and for international selection.
Cheers
Walter
That's right. Once you have obtained a SCO code you have eligibility.
My earlier comment was just to point out the minor error in the Summary of Changes that it reads as if CS membership is also required before SCO registration is possible.
Re: New constitution - Jim Webster - 04-07-2015
Matthew Turner Wrote:Page 14. Any plans to help young players achieve title norms?Without doubt there should be, but is this thread on the Constitution the right place?
A formal proposal put to the AGM to investigate and develop such a plan or strategy is one way of raising this matter in a formal way.
Re: New constitution - robin moore - 04-07-2015
Referring to 16.2 in the proposed new constitution..
16.2. To be eligible to represent Scotland in any international competition, a person must be:
16.2.1. a member of Chess Scotland currently registered as Scottish (‘SCO’) with the World Chess Federation (‘FIDE’), and
16.2.2. Able to satisfy any other criteria (including age and rating limits) set by the organisers of the tournament concerned.
and with regard to Fide rated competitions in Scotland...
Does that mean that a strong European player on a short working secondment could join a Scottish club, become a CS member, play a Fide rated event such as a congress or the Richardson and accordingly become eligible to represent Scotland at international level?
If so, I find that very worrying.
Re: New constitution - Jim Webster - 04-07-2015
robin moore Wrote:Does that mean that a strong European player on a short working secondment could join a Scottish club, become a CS member, play a Fide rated Richardson match and then become eligible to represent Scotland at international level?
No, such a player would have to apply to transfer federations and that is totally within the control of Chess Scotland as to whether or not he is accepted as 'SCO'.
Isn't this a hypothetical question, on something that may or may not happen and can be dealt with when and if it ever arises?
Re: New constitution - robin moore - 04-07-2015
Jim,
If the player is from outwith Scotland and is not Fide rated, he/she would not have to apply for a transfer, he/she will be listed as SCO.
Re: New constitution - WBuchanan - 04-07-2015
Jim
Regarding Robin’s example of a strong European player on a tour.
The implication of the foregoing seems to be that Chess Scotland could and might ‘deal with it’ by selecting them!
Dougie said in response to my question:
“That's right. Once you have obtained a SCO code you have eligibility.”
The constitution says it, and the explanatory document says it.
Is it the aim that CS committees should simply ‘deal with’ everything and the purpose of the constitution (at least as far as the eligibility questions are concerned) is to give them complete flexibility?
Re: New constitution - George Neave - 04-07-2015
WBuchanan Wrote:Jim
Regarding Robin’s example of a strong European player on a tour.
The implication of the foregoing seems to be that Chess Scotland could and might ‘deal with it’ by selecting them!
Dougie said in response to my question:
“That's right. Once you have obtained a SCO code you have eligibility.”
The constitution says it, and the explanatory document says it.
Is it the aim that CS committees should simply ‘deal with’ everything and the purpose of the constitution (at least as far as the eligibility questions are concerned) is to give them complete flexibility?
If anyone who plays a FIDE rated event in Scotland and who has no existing FIDE affiliation gets an SCO code and if having and SCO FIDE code makes you eligible to play for Scotland or become Scottish champion then clearly there is a serious problem that should not enshrined in out constitution!
Re: New constitution - Douglas Bryson - 04-07-2015
George Neave Wrote:If anyone who plays a FIDE rated event in Scotland and who has no existing FIDE affiliation gets an SCO code and if having and SCO FIDE code makes you eligible to play for Scotland or become Scottish champion then clearly there is a serious problem that should not enshrined in out constitution!
You either have to fulfil the bloodline or residency criteria. These are listed at 16.1.1 and 16.1.2. Then you get a SCO code.
The recent posts don't seem to have taken that on board and are suggesting an absurd situation of someone getting the SCO badge instantly in their first participation in a Scottish event. Without any bloodline you need to have been living here for two years minimum according to the constitution. Or do you not think residency is valid?