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Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Jonathan Livingstone - 12-12-2013
Derren Brown stated that he deliberately played the weakest player (a FM player) on the odd board left after pairing the other 8 boards. He has the makings of a good chess player with his clever mind and exceptional memory. Could he not just be a pretty useful chess player?
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Andy Howie - 12-12-2013
Apart from beating the FM, he only has to remember the previous move. Not really that hard to be honest. Very very clever!
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Andy Howie - 12-12-2013
Was there not a league match once where they did something similar?
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Andy Howie - 12-12-2013
Think of it this way. 4 Board match. 2 games on each table. For argument sake we will say the team that is heavily outgraded and wanting to cheat are in the order BWBW
Board 1 white makes his first move, Board 2 white copies it. Board 2 black makes his next move, Board 1 black copies it.
On the lower 2 boards the same is done. Board 3 white makes his first move, board 4 white copies it, board 4 back makes his move, board 3 black copies it.
The game ends up a draw as it is in effect, team 1 board 1 white v team 1 board 2 black and team 1 board 3 white v team 1 board 4 black!
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Jonathan Livingstone - 12-12-2013
The programme didn't show the games, so didn't quite get the opposite colour thing initialy. He still beat the FM though!
Andy, you will know the answer to this - Would using such a system be cheating? Is it even outlined in your usual standard chess rules? I am guessing not? Of course it is moraly cheating without question.
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Andy Howie - 12-12-2013
Yes it would be as you are referring to another game
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Jonathan Livingstone - 12-12-2013
I suppose it generaly wouldn't work to the end of a game as you are not in control of other games unless it is a Simul.
However it is quite possible to replicate the moves on a board next to you in an Open tournament for a good number of opening moves.
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Jonathan Livingstone - 12-12-2013
I googled:
"record of cheating chess team mirror boards system"
Nothing to be found at all for a team of players cheating against another team. Thats good there is perhaps no records of this!
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - Andy Howie - 12-12-2013
I have a feeling it might have been something to do with the old Castlemillk team. Normally brilliant ideas like that stemmed from there and it is the main reason that the GCL rule book is bigger than the FIDE rule book
Re: Derren Brown at Chess - WBuchanan - 12-12-2013
The copying gag couldn't be used seriously to get one point out of two games, as the copiers could be made to run out of time
eg say, 3 secs delay per move = 2 minutes difference on the clocks near the end of the 40 moves so the copiers would at some point have to move first or lose on time.