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Re: Glorney Cup - David G Congalton - 20-07-2016
I think my record of organising events is adequate so far. A number of congresses, a few allegros, organising participation in three Glorney-Gilbert's (including Stirling in 2014 when our squad accommodation was met by the generous contributions of support from near and far) a handful of Liverpool Quadrangulars and assisting with Scotland's participation in various World, Euro and Olympiad events, at both adult and junior level. It's not all been done perfectly but I do and I try.
At the moment, we have a large group of active, enthusiastic players who are between the ages of 14 and 16 and our top 20, active and available Under 16's are all playing in top level international events this summer. Such competition for places can only be good for the future.
The Glorney is an under 18 team tournament with two rounds per day. There isn't an under 16 event.
Some of our top players will be playing in the Under 16 Olympiad, starting on Friday. This is an opportunity to take part in a top level nine round tournament, accompanied by a GM coach. This can only benefit the juniors going in the long-term and they will come back more experienced for future events. I made a conscious decision to offer our top juniors a choice, as with both events so close together it wasn't feasible to play in both. Some chose the Olympiad, some the Glorney. For a number of reason I stand by that decision.
Yes, most of our top players are under 16 at the moment but I am looking to develop these players into winning under 18's, whilst working on a structure that encourages improvement at the under 14, under 12 level for both boys and girls, as well as keeping players playing. These are our Glorney and Gilbert players of the future.
I think our under 16's should be aspiring to the Under 16 Olympiad and then bringing the benefit of the hard work to get there and the experience of being there to the Glorney and Gilbert teams, as our top 17 year olds turn 18 and are no longer eligible for these events.
amuir Wrote:I have to be appointed Junior ID or Glorney Cup manager at the AGM to make this happen.
I would disagree with this, at the moment but am always open to being convinced. Did you not get the England job then? :-o
Re: Glorney Cup - andyburnett - 20-07-2016
amuir Wrote:David , how can we trust you ? Our top players are not playing in the Glorney Cup year in year out. You had a chance this year to get them to play but this was not successful. My generation produced lots of IMs. No new IMs have been produced in the last decade. It's no wonder the sponsor of the Scottish has walked.
I have to be appointed Junior ID or Glorney Cup manager at the AGM to make this happen.
Andy, Your track record in every CS role you have occupied has, to the best of my knowledge, been nothing short of abysmal: offensive, divisive and unfulfilled.
Calling out David in this way is disgraceful - although he's far too polite to say so. I, however, am sick and tired of your nonsense and have no qualms about pulling you up for it. Hopefully the AGM will see you for what you are - ignorant and arrogant and a step backwards for the development of chess in Scotland.
Andy Burnett
Re: Glorney Cup - David G Congalton - 20-07-2016
David G Congalton Wrote:amuir Wrote:I have to be appointed Junior ID or Glorney Cup manager at the AGM to make this happen.
I would disagree with this, at the moment but am always open to being convinced.
You could start to convince me by liking our Facebook photos of the kids in their smart, sponsored shirts.
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Everyone else is welcome to join in. :ymapplause:
Re: Glorney Cup - mclarke - 20-07-2016
Hi David,
I just wanted to say I think your idea of coaches for age groups is great. Appreciate it might be difficult to resource, but I'd encourage you to go as young as possible (i.e. J8, J9, J10 etc), rather than just U12/U14/U18. If the sections are too small, they can always be merged.
I also really like the idea of the pyramid model - with the Primary Individual feeding into the Quadrangler etc.
I'd like to make a suggestion; I think CS was more explicit about how you qualify for the Primary Individual. For example you could give qualification spots to Primary winners of Junior Congresses, regional primary championships, age group winners at SJC age champs, winners or the girls champs, leaders of grand prixs etc, biggest primary giant killer etc. You could then give most of the rest of the spots by grading list and retain a handful of wildcards. You could get quite imaginative with it, call it the 'Race to Dolphin House' or something similar - with a regularly updated 'leaderboard', I think the kids would love it.
I'm sure some of this is already happening in practice, but being explicit about it I think would have some practical benefits to growing the game at primary school level - and might encourage players to play more outside of their local events.
Martin
Re: Glorney Cup - amuir - 20-07-2016
andyburnett Wrote:amuir Wrote:David , how can we trust you ? Our top players are not playing in the Glorney Cup year in year out. You had a chance this year to get them to play but this was not successful. My generation produced lots of IMs. No new IMs have been produced in the last decade. It's no wonder the sponsor of the Scottish has walked.
I have to be appointed Junior ID or Glorney Cup manager at the AGM to make this happen.
Andy, Your track record in every CS role you have occupied has, to the best of my knowledge, been nothing short of abysmal: offensive, divisive and unfulfilled.
Calling out David in this way is disgraceful - although he's far too polite to say so. I, however, am sick and tired of your nonsense and have no qualms about pulling you up for it. Hopefully the AGM will see you for what you are - ignorant and arrogant and a step backwards for the development of chess in Scotland.
Andy Burnett
Andy, I shall be standing against you too for the adult ID role ! A double header at the AGM ! I like standing in elections.I am not ignorant - I am a clever person - I even got 641 votes in the Holyrood General election!
Re: Glorney Cup - David G Congalton - 20-07-2016
mclarke Wrote:but being explicit about it I think would have some practical benefits to growing the game at primary school level
Thanks Martin. I completely agree with this and will put my hands up to it being a lesson learned from this year's event. I maybe should have had the foresight before the event to see how important this could be but would like to think I've learned from actually organising the fun.
I also agree with everything else you've said. I particularly like your suggestions for the Primary Individual and it is in line with some of the thoughts I've had about involving the regional bodies more in the selection for this event. Your ideas do go much further than what I had in mind, I have to admit and are a significant improvement, I think.
I have also been considering whether to try to introduce or should that be resurrect a similar event for juniors who have moved on from Primary School. Those who attended this year's Primary Individual at Dolphin House seemed to really enjoy it and for some it was their last chance to do something like this with chess as the focal point because they'll be too old next year. Would an event for older kids be something that could sustain their interest when they move up to secondary? Obviously, it would need to be part of much more and again I'm back to integrating and also working with regional bodies.
Incidentally, the Primary Individual race will be for Dalguise next year, which is already booked for the weekend of the 16th to the 18th of June, 2017.
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I would hope to convene some form of meeting with the regional bodies and interested parties very shortly after the school summer holidays and the CS AGM, to discuss things like the coaching groups, Primary Individual, Youth Championships and how to encourage our kids to keep playing and keep enjoying.
When I stepped into the roles, the CS management board insisted that I should reconvene the junior board, which I agreed to, so I really should have done so by now but work, other interests, priorities.....
The work that many others have put in to making this year's events go as smoothly as possible has been astounding and encouraging. The "backroom teams" at the Primary Individual, Glorney and Under 16 Olympiad have gone out of their way to ensure that the kids welfare and enjoyment is catered for and I really can't thank them enough.
Re: Glorney Cup - David G Congalton - 20-07-2016
amuir Wrote:Andy, I shall be standing against you too for the adult ID role ! A double header at the AGM ! I like standing in elections.I am not ignorant - I am a clever person - I even got 641 votes in the Holyrood General election!
What about the home junior or home adult roles? Is it just the lure of foreign travel? Furthest I've been for CS is Cardiff in 2013.
I see Nicola Sturgeon's jobs safe then. Did you know she went to Greenwood?
Re: Glorney Cup - Clement Sreeves - 21-07-2016
You can't keep changing a long term plan if you don't get the results after one year. Look at the England football team.
In any case there were some superb performances, both individual (Lennart and Rachel scoring 4.5/5) and team (a 5-1 win with no losses for the Robinson team against a much higher rated France). Well done to everyone involved: players, coaches, organisers and parents. Also a big thank you to the sponsors for their support, the team looked amazing in their kit.
I strongly believe David is doing an excellent job, give him two more years and then we can evaluate.
Re: Glorney Cup - robin moore - 21-07-2016
Agree 100% with Clement.
On the Glorney, you have to give consideration to where it fits in to David's pyramid in a calibre of events. Some folks, Andy M for example, clearly feel it is the top event. Others may feel that events like the World Youth, Euroyouth and Under 16 Olympiad are the pinnacle events.
On the lower building blocks of the pyramid, I am sure David will be trying to establish a clear selection policy as far as events like the Primary Individual and Liverpool Quadrangular are concerned. He will be keen to recognise not only strong individual performances but also that our premier younger events reflect the great work that is taking place in every region of our great nation.
Re: Glorney Cup - Matthew Turner - 21-07-2016
I would agree that David is doing a very good job.
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This seems to me to be the best news for Scottish Junior Chess for many years. A serious sponsor on board and Keti as coach - fabulous.
Good luck to the team