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Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - WBuchanan - 23-06-2013
Couple of replies to Andy Burnett
“The recent articles which mention that he 'doesn't move at all at the board or from the board during games' provides a big hint for where we should be looking. Probably some visual technology coupled with sensors/transmitters of some kind?! The technology exists of course, it's the practicalities of using them during a chess game which would have to be overcome.”
Yes though if he isn’t using the tournament transmission after all, I think we’re talking much bigger bucks for a setup that would work well enough. Someone asked why there are no video clips of Ivanov in play. Why have we only got videos of Lilov to look at? Strange that while telling us about all the fancy ways he must be cheating, the Bulgarians haven’t managed to organise a simple video camera themselves.
“Access to computer records, e-mails/texts/etc. and financial records would provide leads. Interviewing Ivanov, his friends/family/associates might result from this . If evidence existed it would be found pretty quickly I would imagine.”
Good points - he has won money and is therefore presumably under suspicion of fraud as you suggested. Though, he must have an accomplice who would presumably have kept the trail from leading to him. If he is cheating he’s done such a superb technical job that I think he’d have covered all the usual mundane avenues too. The perfect crime!?
“Instead of banning him, it would be useful for an organiser to insist that he analyse his games afterwards a la the London Classic? In real-time in front of an audience! Then we'd see how strong a player he really is!”
Yeah - I also wondered how he expects to function in Bulgaria, doesn’t he move in chess circles, analyze his games afterwards? Maybe he does, and that’s why the GM’s are so certain!
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - amuir - 24-06-2013
Invite him to the Scottish.
It would be interesting to know his method
accomplice ? contact lenses ? microchip under the skin ?
If suspected of fraud could report to local police who could arrest him after a game and take him down for questioning/searching
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - Alan Jelfs - 04-07-2013
Hmmm ....
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"Bone conduction technology" , a possibility ?
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - Graham Kerr - 06-07-2013
Alan Jelfs Wrote:Hmmm ....
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"Bone conduction technology" , a possibility ?
I've invested in this and will be beaming moves to William Clinton in the U1750... ;P
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - Phil Thomas - 09-07-2013
WBuchanan Wrote:Couple of replies to Andy Burnett
“Instead of banning him, it would be useful for an organiser to insist that he analyse his games afterwards a la the London Classic? In real-time in front of an audience! Then we'd see how strong a player he really is!”
But how many of the audience would have sufficient fluency in Bulgarian to make a valid judgement
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - andyburnett - 09-07-2013
Phil Thomas Wrote:WBuchanan Wrote:Couple of replies to Andy Burnett
“Instead of banning him, it would be useful for an organiser to insist that he analyse his games afterwards a la the London Classic? In real-time in front of an audience! Then we'd see how strong a player he really is!”
But how many of the audience would have sufficient fluency in Bulgarian to make a valid judgement
Not really a problem. In Bulgarian tournaments there is obviously no issue and given Ivanov's notoriety I would expect someone to be recording interviews/analysis with an audience/etc. either on video or via mobile phone.
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - Phil Thomas - 09-07-2013
Just kidding about the language barrier Andy. =)
I think there are analogies here with being in a live audience watching a good magician in action.
Large numbers of sensible sane people can't see how the trick is done but no matter how large the audience we all know that the evidence we have seen does not prove the existence of magic.
The magician provides his own props, audience examination of them goes along a path controlled by the magician.
The trouble with he Ivanov case is, of course, that we could all find all the legal moves in any position include the best. No single move makes us suspend disbelief and we have to move into the shady area of statistics using as raw data numbers taken from uncontrolled experimentation
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - andyburnett - 09-07-2013
Quote:Just kidding about the language barrier Andy. =)
Sorry! Where is the 'embarrassed' emoticon?
Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - Phil Thomas - 09-07-2013
D'oh
here are a few
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Re: Bulgaria - Summer of Chess - Andy Howie - 10-07-2013
If he is cheating, I have a few ideas how he is doing it. Would love a chance to see if I was right!