26-08-2013, 01:30 PM
Quote:My issue with the proxies is that while they seemed (in some cases) to have been solicited en masse for the purpose of 'stopping Steve from stopping Hamish' (yes I know it sounds comical) some such proxies were actually also used to unseat someone else. I only mention this again because that was one of Steve’s original points and it is not invalidated by any ‘counterattack’ on Steve. It’s not the only point Steve has made that I agree with, but that has been blamed on Steve’s ‘sour grapes’ without being engaged with.
The point about proxies being used for purposes other than those solicited is a fair one, though it's worth noting that Andy's defeat in the first ballot certainly wasn't solely down to proxies. Like David (and Calum), I didn't use mine for that ballot, because I felt that wasn't the purpose for which they were intended, but I'm uncomfortable with criticising people too stingingly for using open proxies as they see fit under the rules as they stand - if you want a level of control over what the person entrusted with your proxy is voting for, don't give them an open proxy, or at least accompany the proxy with some directions as to how it is and is not to be used - but I agree that this situation was far from ideal, and I hope we see signficant reform of this area in the review.
I'm not sure Steve's points haven't been engaged with in general. There have certainly been a number of posts which haven't been very substantive, but I think a reasonable number of posters have sought to discuss the issues he's raised.