AGM - Matthew Turner

[amuir]

I am certainly considering consulting the 2300+ brigade about the grandfather rule and whether Matthew should play in 2013 teams (he has to wait 2 years anyway but not clear after that) - if Andy Howie gets proposal together then maybe voted at 2012 AGM.
As for Scottish championship perhaps Alex should consult on that

[David Deary]

I am certainly considering consulting the 2300+ brigade about the grandfather rule and whether Matthew should play in 2013 teams (he has to wait 2 years anyway but not clear after that) - if Andy Howie gets proposal together then maybe voted at 2012 AGM.
As for Scottish championship perhaps Alex should consult on that

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the reply. It has cleared it up a bit.

I'm just wondering if we are going to formalise a granparent rule or a residency clause going forward as I suspect the debate would be interesting. Like you say it is really something for an AGM or EGM to decide but might be worth some consultation with members before it is a motion at an AGM/EGM.

[Derek Howie]

I'm just wondering if we are going to formalise a granparent rule or a residency clause going forward as I suspect the debate would be interesting. Like you say it is really something for an AGM or EGM to decide but might be worth some consultation with members before it is a motion at an AGM/EGM.

You obviously haven't read the AGM minutes carefully enough.

There is to be an EGM later this year to discuss the Standards Committee and this issue.

I may attend if I was promised that this issue was discussed first and I could then leave..... 8)

[Alex McFarlane]

The rules for eligibility are on the website but are given below for reference.

A: Eligibility
1. Those with Scottish nationality regardless of residence.
2. Those permanently resident in Scotland for one year immediately preceding the date of the Championship *
3. Those who have competed in the Championship (with eligibility to become Scottish Champion) within the previous five years.
4. In addition to one of the above the player must be a member of Chess Scotland at the beginning of the event. *

The term “permanently resident” does not include university students or other such residence of a transitory nature.(*Amended Aug 30, 2010)

I see no reason to change them.

Andrew, I believe the 'grandfather' amendment will be an item for the proposed EGM.
Why are you going to consult only players over 2300? It could affect selection for junior events as well. The entire picture must be looked at and not just one small area in isolation.

[AWIC - Please Change]

I am certainly considering consulting the 2300+ brigade about the grandfather rule and whether Matthew should play in 2013 teams (he has to wait 2 years anyway but not clear after that) - if Andy Howie gets proposal together then maybe voted at 2012 AGM.
As for Scottish championship perhaps Alex should consult on that

Why does he have to wait 2 years?

[David Deary]

You obviously haven't read the AGM minutes carefully enough.

There is to be an EGM later this year to discuss the Standards Committee and this issue.

I may attend if I was promised that this issue was discussed first and I could then leave..... 8)

You got me there. I had a skim but obviously not detailed enough. =)

My slight concern with the grandparentage rule is that surely residency should also play a part of it. I look forward to the EGM discussions though.

[Derek Howie]

My slight concern with the grandparentage rule is that surely residency should also play a part of it. I look forward to the EGM discussions though.

I believe a 2 year residency rule for adults already exists as a qualifier, so we would be looking at allowing in someone who wasn't born in the country, whose parents aren't Scottish and hasn't resided here for 2 years, but who does have Scottish grandparents.

It should be an interesting discussion.

[David Deary]

I believe a 2 year residency rule for adults already exists as a qualifier, so we would be looking at allowing in someone who wasn't born in the country, whose parents aren't Scottish and hasn't resided here for 2 years, but who does have Scottish grandparents.

It should be an interesting discussion.

Thanks Derek - I think I understand it now.

I hope I can make it to the EGM provided there are no more of my friends getting married.

[Andy Howie]

Especially if, as seems to be expected, Chess is going to be in the Winter Olympics.

[Douglas Bryson]

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ELIGIBILITY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATION
Chess Scotland will apply the follow considerations in identifying individuals who could qualify as being eligible for representing Scotland in international chess events. In formulating these four considerations, due account has been taken of the relevant FIDE rules and the particular circumstances of defining Scottish nationality. Of course, anyone who qualifies under these considerations would then be subject to the selection processes whereby national teams are selected from the pool of eligible players.

It is not the purpose of this document to set out the various selection processes that are adopted from time to time for juniors and adult players.

There are four eligibility considerations as follows: -

• Was the player born in Scotland?

• Were either or both of the player’s parents born in Scotland?

• If the player is 18 or more years old, has he/she been permanently resident in Scotland for at least two years (if a junior, that is under 18, the equivalent time is one year)?

• Has the player been previously accepted as qualifying for Scottish representation?

A positive response to any one (or more) of the above four questions would mean that the player (a) would be eligible and their name could be considered in the context of selection processes and (b) could include their name as being a Scottish player on any international list such as FIDE.