(30-03-2022, 05:26 PM)hamish olson Wrote: Walter, what Alex refers to when he says SCO code is the number at the start of the fide player number, 24 for Scotland. For example my fide number is 2404257 because I was nationality Scotland with FIDE from the start.
Donald Heron's is still currently 416282, due to the mixup with his initial registration, but his nationality with FIDE is now Scotland. So the original wording of the 2016 motion would have unintentionally prevented Donald and Keti from being eligible as it was referring to the code, but the 2019 Scottish entry form would not as it is not about the code - so your statements above are not quite accurate - apart from the one about the 2016 motion intending to exclude Jacob.
Steady on there Hamish, not so fast :-). We've actually been here before:
https://www.chessscotland.com/forum/show...975&page=2
Of course, there is such an item as the SCO code, the text form - it's what's been discussed, mentioned in regulations and promoted as a Proxy for eligibility for years. It's the only one that most members would have heard of, and they would have heard that from management. There would be no reason to change that as the default meaning.
If this simply meant the number at the start of the Fide number (24 for Scotland, 40 for England etc) then people like Keti (FIDE number=13600168, doesn't change when you switch federations) would not be eligible under a rule that said that SCO=eligible, a rule that is often proposed.
And neither would Matthew (402893). According to CS personnel, Matthew has the SCO code, does he not? His FIDE number begins with 40.
Hamish O, 2404257, Scottish '24' Tartan stamp :-) like most of the Scots players.
SCO on this list means the Fide federation.
Keti, 13600168 - no '24', but listed as SCO, and eligible.
Matthew, 402893 - no '24', listed as SCO - not eligible yet, because SCO doesn't give eligibility.
The use and intent of the term 'SCO' is clearly the variable that shows all the SCO in the listing.
You can see them on CS here
https://www.chessscotland.com/documents/...#whitelist
(Click on the thumbnail at the bottom for an extract)
There's Keti, 13600168, i.e. with no Scottish '24' but SCO due to federation change.
Further down you can see Matthew, 402893, English code, but listed as SCO - because that's the code that he was given, the one we are all talking about.
What is this list - it's FIDE's. The heading of the country column (SCO, ENG etc) in the file is Fed.
You can get the lot here in a Download: https://ratings.fide.com/download.phtml
Anyone telling you that IF someone proposes a rule to make the SCO code a requirement for eligibility it would somehow make someone else with the SCO code ineligible is misinformed, or disingenuous.
Interpreting the motion so that it referred to the 'country part' (the part with the numerical '24' etc) would also be astonishing, as the country part is the country of initial registration, as has been noted.
I don't believe this was what was done at the 2016 AGM. Douglas Bryson's amendment to change to the Federation is technically correct, as it was the precise specification where the intended change was to be made - 'the Federation' (as the sketchy AGM minute notes) is the column with the 'SCO', ENG', etc.
NB, Matthew now has SCO not ENG.
But there was no reason in the world to suppose that Andy Muir meant the 2 or 3 digit 'country' part of the FIDE ID. Or Douglas, for that matter. Of course that would cause carnage - it would reset everyone to their original country!
So SCO is a value of the Federation variable in FIDE files.
The interpretation of Andy Muir's motion (of what was either specified OR meant by the proposer, OR by the amendment) that was later claimed (and that has been maintained ever since) would be a very surprising one to make by anyone who knows the meaning of the two columns.
Cheers