30-03-2022, 10:25 PM
I think I understand things a bit better now. To summarise things I'd say it's as follows:
1. Motion 1 can be read as no one in Chess Scotland has any idea exactly what the current eligibility rules actually are. Since it could be an issue in future they've organised an EWP to try to come up with rules that seem practical and are close enough to what people think the rules were.
2. There is no definitive record of what happened at 2016 AGM. It seems vote was narrowly passed with people have differing interpretations of what was agreed. I guess grammatical equivalent is "Let's eat Grandma!" vs "Let's eat, Grandma!" where the comma makes all the difference.
Having looked at the 2011 AGM minutes I found the following:
Motion 3 (Proposed by Andrew Muir, Seconded by Jacqui Thomas)
A new category of Chess Scotland member shall be created. Members of this category will be entitled to have the code SCO in the FIDE rating list and to use the Scottish flag. They will not be entitled to play for Scottish teams and not be entitled to obtain the title of Scottish champion. Members shall come under this category at the discretion of the management board. After a discussion, it was agreed that the motion was over complex and that a simpler solution should be sought. AH has agreed to draft a motion to cover this for the upcoming EGM
Motion overwhelmingly rejected
6.9 Matthew Turner nationality transfer
After Motion 3 was rejected and AH agreed that he would put a motion up at the EGM for ratification, we still had to look at what we should do with MT‟s request for transfer. AH outlined what his motion would be, using Grandparents for qualification in lines with all other sports. MT advised that he had communication from the ECF that they would not be looking for compensation for him to transfer. AH proposed that we process the transfer now and not leave MT stateless for another 3 months. This was seconded by PB and carried with a majority.
I can't see any record of the minutes of the EGM referred to in those motions. However the council 2014 and AGM 2015 votes that were rejected are the likely equivalents. Reading in between the lines I would assume the transfer was processed on the assumption rules would be changed so that his case wouldn't be an exception but then the rule change didn't happen like it was assumed it would at the AGM. Having said all that I wasn't at the meeting so it's purely speculation on my part.
So basically motion 2 can be read as let's simplify things and give Matthew Turner the same status as everyone else since he has been involved in the Scottish Chess scene for over a decade. I'll also note that I don't know Matthew Turner in any shape or form so I can't judge him on a personal basis and I suspect a lot of the membership is in the same position.
I guess technically this motion could affect the entire world especially if you subscribe to the butterfly effect although it would surprise me if it had a noticeable effect on more than 50 people.
1. Motion 1 can be read as no one in Chess Scotland has any idea exactly what the current eligibility rules actually are. Since it could be an issue in future they've organised an EWP to try to come up with rules that seem practical and are close enough to what people think the rules were.
2. There is no definitive record of what happened at 2016 AGM. It seems vote was narrowly passed with people have differing interpretations of what was agreed. I guess grammatical equivalent is "Let's eat Grandma!" vs "Let's eat, Grandma!" where the comma makes all the difference.
Having looked at the 2011 AGM minutes I found the following:
Motion 3 (Proposed by Andrew Muir, Seconded by Jacqui Thomas)
A new category of Chess Scotland member shall be created. Members of this category will be entitled to have the code SCO in the FIDE rating list and to use the Scottish flag. They will not be entitled to play for Scottish teams and not be entitled to obtain the title of Scottish champion. Members shall come under this category at the discretion of the management board. After a discussion, it was agreed that the motion was over complex and that a simpler solution should be sought. AH has agreed to draft a motion to cover this for the upcoming EGM
Motion overwhelmingly rejected
6.9 Matthew Turner nationality transfer
After Motion 3 was rejected and AH agreed that he would put a motion up at the EGM for ratification, we still had to look at what we should do with MT‟s request for transfer. AH outlined what his motion would be, using Grandparents for qualification in lines with all other sports. MT advised that he had communication from the ECF that they would not be looking for compensation for him to transfer. AH proposed that we process the transfer now and not leave MT stateless for another 3 months. This was seconded by PB and carried with a majority.
I can't see any record of the minutes of the EGM referred to in those motions. However the council 2014 and AGM 2015 votes that were rejected are the likely equivalents. Reading in between the lines I would assume the transfer was processed on the assumption rules would be changed so that his case wouldn't be an exception but then the rule change didn't happen like it was assumed it would at the AGM. Having said all that I wasn't at the meeting so it's purely speculation on my part.
So basically motion 2 can be read as let's simplify things and give Matthew Turner the same status as everyone else since he has been involved in the Scottish Chess scene for over a decade. I'll also note that I don't know Matthew Turner in any shape or form so I can't judge him on a personal basis and I suspect a lot of the membership is in the same position.
I guess technically this motion could affect the entire world especially if you subscribe to the butterfly effect although it would surprise me if it had a noticeable effect on more than 50 people.