Edinburgh resuts...

[Graham Kerr]

...are now posted on the site.
But, can anyone tell me how a player graded 1772 was playing in the under 1700 tournament?

[Douglas Bryson]

If the player is a visitor to Scotland and does not already have a CS grade then the grades used in processing the data will be FIDE then ECF, in that order of priority.

That particular player had a FIDE of 1772 and an ECF of 1620.

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[Graham Kerr]

ok, fair enough... just felt the question had to be asked

[andyburnett]

I also noticed there was an 1800+ player in that section - I imagine it's for the same reason Dougie describes above.

I had to play an ungraded/unrated player in the Premier. Not ideal for me, but he did return a 2036 performance so just as well he wasn't put in a lower section.

My question is, will his TPR be used to calculate my grading also? Or will my win against him not count towards grading? (I'm sure I've read the answer to this somewhere in the past but can't locate it)

andy

[Graham Kerr]

ISTR (and Dougie will probably correct me if i'm wrong) unrated players are given a provisional rating for the purposes of calculating other players' gradeable games.
I'm not sure how close his TPR would be to his provisional rating, but other games he plays would also be a factor in his provisional rating.
FIDE and CS might also have a different set of games to be graded...

Dunno if that helps any

[andyburnett]

ISTR (and Dougie will probably correct me if i'm wrong) unrated players are given a provisional rating for the purposes of calculating other players' gradeable games.
I'm not sure how close his TPR would be to his provisional rating, but other games he plays would also be a factor in his provisional rating.
FIDE and CS might also have a different set of games to be graded...

Dunno if that helps any

That sounds familiar Graham.
He (Sergey Tin) was given an estimated rating of 2000 for the event beforehand, but when I spoke to him he told me he hasn't played a tournament of any kind since a junior event in Kazakhstan 15 years ago Don't believe he has played any other graded games at all.

[Douglas Bryson]

That unrated player only has 4 games in the CS system at the moment (IE the Edin results), it needs a minimum of 5 to calculate an estimate. He has played a few games in Scotland since season 2010-11 but not enough to get a published CS grade. You need to accumulate a min of 8 in two consecutive seasons.

He wont count for FIDE rating.

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Do games against ungraded players count?
Games against ungraded players will count if the computer has enough information to be able to calculate a reliable estimate for the ungraded player. The minimum number of games for the ungraded player is five - below that we dont make an estimate.

These estimates for ungraded opponents will appear in your online record. An ungraded player will have a 0 in the published grade column and some figure in used grade.

As the ungraded player accumulates more games throughout the season the estimate is continually revised. The opponent of the ungraded player will get credit for the latest estimate so that means that game will continually change in value throughout the whole season. This also means that a game may not initially count when the game was played but may count later in the season when an estimate can be calculated.

[andyburnett]

Thanks for that

[George Neave]

I was thinking about the unfortunate situation in Edinburgh open which resulted in major part of prize fund finishing with someone benefiting from 2 full point default byes. Competition seriously distorted because we had a couple of titled players (well 1 at least) not really committed to participate in the event and as result completely screwing up the draw. Perhaps if organizers wish to offer free places for titled players they should still take the entry fee as deposit and then return it only on condition that the player actually turns up for all their games?

[Jonathan Livingstone]

George has a good point. I wouldn't encourage making it a stipulation for all Titled players that they pay a refundable entry fee on completion of tournament. Perhaps better and fairier to just apply it to those with a previous no show/withdrawal track record.